Ged Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 I have been through the classifieds (FS) and the Breeders Register to find which Pseudotropheus species are available in Australia. This is the list that I have come up with. If I have missed any or made any mistakes could you let me know. Pseudotropheus acei Pseudotropheus acei 'Msulu Point' Pseudotropheus acei ‘Tanzania’ Pseudotropheus acei 'Ngara' Pseudotropheus sp. acei ‘Ngara White Tail’ Pseudotropheus demasoni Pseudotropheus demasoni 'Pombo Rocks' Pseudotropheus elongatus 'Likoma Island' Pseudotropheus elongatus ‘Chewere’ Pseudotropheus elongatus 'Mpanga' Pseudotropheus elongatus 'Neon Spot' (Hai Reef) Pseudotropheus elongatus ‘Spot' Pseudotropheus flavus Pseudotropheus kingsizei Pseudotropheus kingsizei 'Lupingu Gold' Pseudotropheus perspicax Pseudotropheus perspicax ‘Orange Cap’ Pseudotropheus msobo Pseudotropheus saulosi Pseudotropheus socolofi Pseudotropheus sp. 'Polit' Pseudotropheus sp. ‘Daktari’ These three were listed but I am uncertain if they are new names or they have been renamed and placed in another genus. Pseudotropheus aurora (i.e. Metriaclima aurora) Pseudotropheus livingstoni Pseudotropheus hajomaylandi (i.e. Metriaclima hajomaylandi) Thanks Gerard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeWs Fish Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 pseudotropheus callainos pseudotropheus elongatus 'Bee' pseudotropheus elongatus 'Chailosi' pseudotropheus elongatus 'Masimbwe' Also, I think pseudotropheus elongatus 'Neon spot' and pseudotropheus elongatus 'spot' are the same fish. Also you left off the tropheops species (not sure if they count). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViS Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 Pseudotropheus / Metriaclima / Maylandia are all the same Look up pseudotropheus vs metriaclima vs maylandia on the net and see what you come up with. Here is one small article: http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/metr...s_maylandia.php As for your list, you've named some fish twice and missed a few. I'm in a rush now, but after others have put in their 2c, I'll try and add some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danpri Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 Is there two types of perspicax in Aust? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ged Posted January 23, 2005 Author Share Posted January 23, 2005 I have listed them as they were listed on the forum. I agree with Mike and Andy that a few have been duplicated. I tried to keep the list as true to what has been listed on the forum. Gerard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ged Posted January 23, 2005 Author Share Posted January 23, 2005 Andy A very interesting article. I have noticed from my readings that species have been changing genus over many years. I did not realise that there is still debate over whether the genus they are being placed is a valid one. Is that why I can not locate Metriaclima and Maylandia on the species list for NSWCS. If that is the case could I say that here in Australia are Metriaclima and Maylandia not generally recognised as a genus. Whilst there is provisions for sub-genus within Pseudotropeus, the confusion over which one to use prevents the use of these sub-genus. Gerard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nannat Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 have you frgot about livingstoii mike? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeWs Fish Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 I dont think i'll ever forget those cute little ugly things: http://members.optusnet.com.au/~mwertheim/mypic14.JPG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Miller Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 Hi Gerard, I think I can add a few to your list. I'm pretty sure all of these are here: Pseudotropheus barlowi Pseudotropheus crabro Pseudotropheus estherae Pseudotropheus greshakei Pseudotropheus lombardoi Pseudotropheus "Msobo" (Magunga) – I think it’s the only type we have here. Pseudotropheus tropheops – various types here? Pseudotropheus zebra "Red Top Black Bar" Cheers, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cichlabxr Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 I know its been said before, many many times. So many fish so little tank space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeWs Fish Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 We have some beauties here but........ Bring on some 'new' stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ged Posted January 24, 2005 Author Share Posted January 24, 2005 Thanks everyone The response was greater than I had expected. I will add them to the list that I have compiled. If there is any more could you let me know. I think I will be doing at lot more reading to get my head around the different species. It has raised the issue about how you go about bringing on some of the "new stuff" as Mike so eloquently put. Gerard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerbeer Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 What about the old faithful BB Zebra. ARe they still around?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crabros Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 Hi Guys, I believe these are here, Pseudotropheus sp. 'acei' yellowtail Luwala reef Pseudotropheus sp. 'acei' yellowtail Msuli Pseudotropheus sp. 'acei' yellowtail Tanzania Pseudotropheus sp. 'acei' whitetail Ngara Pseudotropheus crabro Pseudotropheus demasoni Pseudotropheus flavus Pseudotropheus fuscus Pseudotropheus minutus Pseudotropheus saulosi Pseudotropheus socolofi Pseudotropheus sp.'daktari' Pseudotropheus sp.'elongatus 'bee' Pseudotropheus sp.'elongatus chailosi' Pseudotropheus sp.'elongatus chewere' Pseudotropheussp.'elongatuschisumulu' Pseudotropheus sp.'elongatus gold bar Pseudotropheus sp. 'elongatus masimbwe' Pseudotropheus sp. 'elongatus mpanga' Pseudotropheus sp. 'elongatus ornatus' Pseudotropheus sp. 'elongatus slab' Pseudotropheus sp. 'elongatus spot' Pseudotropheus sp. 'perspicax' Pseudotropheus sp. 'polit' Pseudotropheus sp. 'pulpicans' Pseudotropheus sp. 'pulpicans lupingu' Pseudotropheus sp 'ornatus' Pseudotropheus sp 'zebra long pelvic' Metriaclima aurora Metriaclima barlowi Metriaclima callainos Metriaclima elegans Metriaclima estherae Metriaclima greshakei albino Metriaclima greshakei Metriaclima hajomaylandi Metriaclima livingstonii Metriaclima lombardoi Metriaclima zebra 'albino' Metriaclima zebra 'black bar' Metriaclima zebra 'blue blotch' Metriaclima zebra 'orange blotch' Metriaclima zebra 'red dorsal' Metriaclima sp 'charo gold' Metriaclima sp 'msobo' You guys can call them whatever you like. HTH Brett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViS Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 Brett, who has the long pelvics? PM me if you like. I'd like to go on the list to get fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksta Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 I think I beat you Andy. Still waiting for a reply to my PM. His box is probably full by now though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YeW Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 Hi Guys - Just to summarise the Metriaclima/Maylandia/Pseudotropheus arguement. Maylandia is the correct name - it has precedence. It's that simple. Ad Konings has (somewhat weirdly) followed the lead of an american research group and gone with Metriaclima (mores the pity for the poor confused hobbyist). Dr. Michael Oliver of www.malawicichlids.com says Maylandia is correct. He's got a PhD in cichlid taxonomy (hes worked on malawi cichlids) and has named several cichlids(notably rusties). He knows more about taxonomy (and the rules etc) than most scientists and I'm thinking in this he's correct. In saying that though I think Pseudotropheus and Metriaclima can be used as synonyms (as most ppl know what we are talking about after all). For those wanting more see Michael's article: http://malawicichlids.com/mw01012.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crabros Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 Hi Guys, The long pelvic went up North @ $150 ea only about 15 came in. HTH Brett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warooda Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Also, I think pseudotropheus elongatus 'Neon spot' and pseudotropheus elongatus 'spot' are the same fish. I think you'll find that this fish maybe called Pseudotropheus sp. "Elongatus Ruarwe" BTW if anyones got these fish I'd love some fry... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeWs Fish Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Thanks for that - I should have some fry soon. In the meantime maybe someone else can help you out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gav Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 you had to let the pelvic story out didn't ya brett? now everyone wants something they wont get thing is they have been here a year or so, maybe a little longer so whoever has them would probably have the 1st and 2nd generation stuff breeding by now. can anyone say orange cap perspicax? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeWs Fish Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 I think that Elongatus ruarwe and elongatus 'neon spot' could be two different fish. I have read that they are confused with one another becasue ruarwe's trade name is elongatus '(neon) jewel spot' and elongutus 'spot' is commonly called elongatus 'neon spot'. raurwe has some yellow in the tail and looks quite different. http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=e...6lr%3D%26sa%3DN on that link notice how there is elongatus 'spot' and also 'ruarwe' Here is a pic of ruarwe: http://www.tropheus.info/riftlakes/cichlid...s_ruarwe_e.html elongatus 'spot': http://members.optusnet.com.au/~mwertheim/mypic37.JPG http://members.optusnet.com.au/~mwertheim/mypic38.JPG http://members.optusnet.com.au/~mwertheim/mypic39.JPG http://members.optusnet.com.au/~mwertheim/mypic43.JPG http://members.optusnet.com.au/~mwertheim/mypic44.JPG EDIT:hmmmmm I just saw this too: http://www.cichlid.szm.sk/Pseudotropheus%2...us%20ruarwe.htm Tis a bit confusing! Could be the same fish different varient within a locality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Miller Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Mike, Could be the same fish different varient within a locality. ?????? Are you suggesting that there could be two Ps. sp. 'elongatus ruarwe'? I don't understand Lee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeWs Fish Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 This is just a guess but i know some of them come from Hai reef, which may or may not be in ruarwe. maybe the one shown with the yellow in the tail comes from another place possibly another reef or bay in ruarwe? Again, this is just a guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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