charlzy999 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 I am looking for "true" Green Terror Cichlids (andinoacara rivulatus) I understand that a lot of people sell Gold Saum/Gold edge Rivulatus as Green Terrors but they are not the original fish Does anyone know where i can get them? or if they are even still available in Australia?Any help will be great, Thanks GOLD SAUM http://www.livefish.com.au/tropicals/cichlids/american/rivulatus-gold-saum-4cm.htmlGREEN TERROR http://www.livefish.com.au/tropicals/cichlids/american/blue-acara-7cm.html Copied this post from a local forum i posted on, had no response so thought id try here too.Anyone with any info as to what has happened to these fish would be great.THANKS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link2Hell Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 first welcome to ACE forumsthere are 2 forms the gold saum and the white saumthe gold saum has been classified as A. rivulatus and the white has been givenit's own species A. stalsbergi after Alf Stalsbergyour first link shows a gold saum male and the second link shows a gold saum femalewhat exactly are you looking for ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlzy999 Posted February 27, 2012 Author Share Posted February 27, 2012 Thanks for the welcome.Im not an expert but im not sure that is correct as ive been told by a fish expert last night. This guy is 60+ and has been importing cichlids for 30+ years. Id rather not mention his name as he is doing everything he can to get me the True Green Terrors and as that is illegal i dont want to cause him problems. (he's very well known in the aquarium industry)He told me that "True Green Terrors" have been banned (at least in victoria).He used to import Green Terrors in the early 90's, he said that Gold Saum (AEQUIDENS RIVULATUS) and True Green Terrors (ANDINOACARA RIVULATUS) are certainly a different fish.In his words Green Terrors are "Pure Evil" and will kill anything that is put in its tank, and as you prob know, Gold Saum can live happily with other similar Cichlids in the right environment.Since the banning of True Green Terrors 15 or so years back, people have been selling Gold Saum as Green Terrors when infact they are not.I have also been told by the importer on www.livefish.com.au that he has not seen True Green Terrors for a long long time. The Green Terrors dont look as spectacular as the Saums and are very very aggresive.As Gold Saums have been called Green Terrors for some time now, most people dont know anything different.If anyone has any more info would love to hear about it as it seems many people have different views on the subjectThanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlzy999 Posted February 27, 2012 Author Share Posted February 27, 2012 Some more info on thishttp://www.thewaters...p?showtopic=525http://www.tangledupincichlids.com/ Have a chat to these guys they are great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattrox Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/category.php?cat=24What it looks like is there is a change in genus name.It also looks like the what everyone calls the silver Saum is the "Real" Green terror. I have not kept up with SA cichlid taxonomy so don't know the current names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlzy999 Posted February 28, 2012 Author Share Posted February 28, 2012 http://www.cichlid-f...gory.php?cat=24What it looks like is there is a change in genus name.It also looks like the what everyone calls the silver Saum is the "Real" Green terror. I have not kept up with SA cichlid taxonomy so don't know the current names.Gold Saum and Silver Saum possibly same or 2 different species (debate about this) and F1 True Green Terrors are a different species againI think half the problem in Australia is we are so far away from the source that LFS can tell you whatever they want you to believe and we just take it as gospel, sad but true. Would love to go to the states and see some truly amazing wild caught fish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlzy999 Posted February 28, 2012 Author Share Posted February 28, 2012 Read this whole page and it explains it all http://www.thewaters...p?showtopic=525, Saums come from Ecuador and True Green Terrors from Peru (generally) and major differences in appearance, behaviour etc.Glad i found this page and hopefully i can get these fish over here (doubt it but hopefull)also confirmed by Jeff Rapps at http://www.tangledupincichlids.com/ (highly regarded "American" fish expert) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link2Hell Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 the same situation is held with the Carpintus (Texas complex) where they are now looking at geographic variencesunfortunately we are not able to keep up with new or reclassified species due to our import laws unlike Jeff Rapps(nice guy BTW) who has access to wild caught species and Alf Stalsberg we goes on collecting trips and can sendfish back to Germanywhat we have is what we have in most cases and what we have are the 2 forms of Rivulatus that have been out herewell before the rediscovery and renaming process from 2004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlzy999 Posted February 28, 2012 Author Share Posted February 28, 2012 Im not putting down the Saums btw, i have 4 juve's at home myself and they are great little fish so far and will look stunning when all grown up.Has anyone had any experience importing fish from overseas?? I imagine it would be expensive to do so and possiblt very hard to get them through quarantine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlzy999 Posted February 28, 2012 Author Share Posted February 28, 2012 the same situation is held with the Carpintus (Texas complex) where they are now looking at geographic variencesunfortunately we are not able to keep up with new or reclassified species due to our import laws unlike Jeff Rapps(nice guy BTW) who has access to wild caught species and Alf Stalsberg we goes on collecting trips and can sendfish back to Germanywhat we have is what we have in most cases and what we have are the 2 forms of Rivulatus that have been out herewell before the rediscovery and renaming process from 2004thanks for your help too mate, i have had this same question on another forum for ages with no reply ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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