intern1 Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Starting off any fish can be hard as a newbie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foti Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 discus ......... for sure if your up for a challange or clown loachs lol coz its never been done .....this may be a stupid question, but if they're so hard to breed why are there so many of them?They are all imported from wild caught stock.I agree with the P. altum suggestion as it will be nice to see more around. Another angel species to consider is P. leopoldi as you hardly ever see them anymore.If you can get your hands on the very few that are around, Vieja argentea.Non cichlid fish: Galaxy rasbora or even garra ruffa and have your own spa parties!Whip tails are no challenge but a great fish to keep and breed so if you want go for it there not expensive But if you want a challenge then breed the altum lol just keep them alive is a challenge! Your water must be to there liking Plus there not cheap so if you breed them 100+ fry at the $100 ea But if you want cichlids breed the tan's or go cuckoo cats with some big cichlids this way you get great colours 2 different fIsh breeding in same tank well 1 if your doing a good job! There is only afew bred at a time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelly Posted March 27, 2012 Author Share Posted March 27, 2012 What is an altum?, I googled it and the pics were of angel fish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Thats them Altum Angels, they are the true wild angel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesmac Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 I agree with efc01 b tricoti by far one of the hardest I haven't heard tank raised in Australia Mostly w/c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave2092 Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Hey guys, just out of curiosityWith the pterophylum altum, whats hard about them to breed? (not saying there easy i havent breed them myself)i work at best friends, one in victoria, in one of our fish tanks we had some assorted 8cm angels 10cm sharks a jack dempsey and some 10cm clown loaches.At the moment only two angels are in that tank because they spawned together. One of the angels is a peterophylum altum, the other looks like a marble.We think they breed because the tank got white spot a few weeks ago so we upped the temp high (usually bad for angels) and the spawned a few days later.If they are so hard and expensive, i may buy the altum (we think the altum is the female) and source a male altum and try breed.We were really suprised when the altums came into work cause there was one in the 8cm assorted and alot of them in the 3.5cm assorteds.maybe its breeding so easy cause it could be a cross breed?Anyway thats my rant over haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malrift Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 what strain of altum is it? The true altum is the hardest but the peru altum is just a wild formof scalare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killiguy Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Real Altums (Peruvians dont count)are large and take ages to mature,they demand superb water quality and a soft acid environment.The people who have bred them you can count on one hand.F1's dont seem much easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave2092 Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 TBH i dont really know, as i said it came in the delivery with assorted angels, but looking at the picture, the stripes arent identicle, i think it is a hybrid or even a totally different angel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topogigio Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 I think you are confusing a silver "wild" form scalary angel for an altum. For starters no LFS will ever sell true altums alongside normal angels. If you paid less than $150-$100 per fish then you have a scalare. Nothing wrong with your scalare (and congrats on them breeding them cause I never had), they are just not altums that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave2092 Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Haha definently sounds like a scalare, as i said they just looked similar but after i looked at the one at work in detail it is different.Also (im new to this forum) whats is F1 and F2 etc code for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ged Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Dave welcome to the forum. F1 is a term used in genetics and selective breeding. F1 stands for Filial 1, the first filial generation offspring resulting from breeding from the parental types. F2 is the resulting offspring from a F1 mating.In the cichlid hobby the F1 generally used to denote the first filial offspring from wild caught parents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwandana Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 or clown loachs lol coz its never been done .....Is that true?My 2 big fat lazy clown loaches, that I have had for over 6 years now have finally come out of their log! And are in a frenzy with each other.... LOL my OH reckons its hot I have never seen anything like it with loaches of any type. Maybe, just maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foti Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 or clown loachs lol coz its never been done .....Is that true?My 2 big fat lazy clown loaches, that I have had for over 6 years now have finally come out of their log! And are in a frenzy with each other.... LOL my OH reckons its hot I have never seen anything like it with loaches of any type. Maybe, just maybe?Good luck but unless they are around the the 30cm mark they are not sexually mature These fish are not tank breed but caught and exported Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowie Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 What about ghost knifesVery hard to get to breed even harder to keep the babies alive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shon982 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 I don't think they're wild caught, they're just bred with hormone injections similar to synodontisSo artificial spawning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gillsysyd Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Knife fish and Clown loaches are now mass produced, but using hormonal injections/dissolved hormones.There are a few reported cases of clown loaches being breed in captivity, but pure chance and luck than skilled.D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielsplakat Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 bettas for sure haha. easy-medium to get them to build the nest and pop out the eggs but the fry are a different story. extremely hard, only a percentage will make it and you can only feed them live food for the best survival rate! not to mention water quality!!! not sure if someone else posted about bettas, sorry if you already did! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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